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Woe


Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet, for bitter. Isaiah 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

This is a condemnation upon those that get things backwards. The thought I will pursue here is; God does not accept everything man thinks He ought to accept. God has set forth the principles that He wants us to observe. God does not say a negative – no on everything man can dream up but gives us principles to abide by that is a guide line for us. For example – the Bible does not say a thing about street drugs yet not one preacher or church member would say it is okay to consume these drugs. This a principle that God has established.

When we get to the worship that is God’s, everything goes out the window. God established with Moses and Israel what was accepted. Isaiah 9:6 – Moses said to Israel, “This is the thing which the Lord commanded that ye should do:” and in their obedience, “and the glory of the Lord shall appear unto you.” Isaiah 9:23 “And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of the congregation, and came out, and blessed the people; and the glory of the Lord appeared unto all the people.
24. And there came a fire out from before the Lord, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.

What God proscribes, He accepts. Isaiah 10:1 we see what was unacceptable to God. “And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded then not.” No doubt they had the attitude that people have today – I am doing this for the Lord so He should accept it. God has never said He would accept as worship what we decide He should accept. My belief is the Old Testament has laid out an example of the attitude we should have and the method we should use.

Where does self-will in worship take us? How about the tele-evangelist that says GIVE GOD A HAND! Well the solemness of worship has already been disrupted with the clapping for individual performance so why not clap for God, He deserves it. God deserves everything and all of us. Exodus 19:5 God speaking to Israel “if ye will obey my voice,” and this is a recurring theme throughout the Old Testament. I Samuel 15:22 Samuel said to the people “…Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.” The result of disobedience was death to Nadab and Abihu. Israel disobeyed many times and were punished many different ways for this disobedience. Even Peter in Acts 5:29 makes a statement about obedience – Then Peter and the other apostles answered an said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Where is the line of demarcation between acceptable worship and unacceptable worship. I don’t know and I haven’t found anyone else that really knows. Wouldn’t it be terrible to stand before the Lord and hear, “my child, when did you worship me? Those were not the principles of worship that I gave you. You were not worshipping me, you were doing things of the world that pleased You.”

I have no desire to be in that position. I have enough to answer for. My neglect in evangelism. My hard heartedness and other things.

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Joyful Noise


I will give a few random thoughts and then make a few comments that might upset some.

I enjoyed the fellowship of the ABA this year. The feeling of harmony was all around. Those that I met, I truly enjoyed. I have come back to my Church (not the one I own, mind you, but the one I pester and that is not a misspelling.) with renewed purpose and a desire to change some things and get about the Masters business. Now there may be some that felt the new Missionary Committee overstepped their authority. I believe that they simply communicated with the sponsoring Church and Missionary what was occuring financially. The Church and Missionary had to make the decision to not recommend.

NOW: the fly in the ointment is the clapping. I have read and studied the worship of the Old Testament and have read where the Word calls them a Solemn assembly and have read the New Testament where Paul refers to the music and I am led to wonder about the appropriateness of the clapping phenomenon. I do believe it has been borrowed from the SBC and Indepedents who borrowed it from the Pentecostals and Chrismatics. Why do we feel we have to borrow things from unscriptural sources. Go ahead and borrow their doctrine if we are in the borrowing position. Some may get in a twitter – not the phone type – over these statements. Please keep it together to have a rational discussion on this issue.

I have never seen a theological, Biblical argument that has been rationally laid out in a systematic manner that could possibly prove that clapping in a solemn assembly, which is our worship service, is appropriate or would even be acceptable to God.

While thinking on these things I did provide my self with an argument for and an argument against clapping. They are both very simple. If the Bible does not specifically state a command against, then the practice is okay. That is my argument for. This opens the door for liturgical dance which I consider to be the dance of the prostitutes in pagan temples and many other things that clapping proponents would be against. This argument fails for obvious reasons.

I would like one wise in the word and with the ability, to put forth a reasoned systematic theological based argument with scripture that supports clapping in worship.

Understand: this leaves out the verses that refer to trees and hills clapping. It is hard to lug these into our houses of worship.

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